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	<title>Comments on: Absolut Historical Ignorance: Or, How I Learned to Love More Than One Book</title>
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	<description>In Education for the Aughts, Matthew K. Tabor discusses issues in K-12 and higher education. He examines: college, law school &#38; medical school admissions; NCLB &#38; testing; teaching; teacher certification; parent &#38; community relations; school law; school boards; &#38; national education trends. Matthew is an admissions consultant and private educator. He writes out of Cooperstown, New York.</description>
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		<title>By: Troy Camplin, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy Camplin, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good comments. It&#039;s important that people be reminded that, to use the German phrase, &quot;Einmal ist keinmal&quot; -- once is none. If you get information from one source, you might as well have read nothing. If you read things from but one POV, you might as well not be reading anything, either. I would go so far as to suggest that if you read things in just one discipline, you&#039;re just as blind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comments. It&#8217;s important that people be reminded that, to use the German phrase, &#8220;Einmal ist keinmal&#8221; &#8212; once is none. If you get information from one source, you might as well have read nothing. If you read things from but one POV, you might as well not be reading anything, either. I would go so far as to suggest that if you read things in just one discipline, you&#8217;re just as blind.</p>
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		<title>By: James Stripes</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Stripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noxious advertising is endemic. Good advice for prospective history teachers less so.

Stephen Downs is correct that comparing Mexican Reconquista of the American Southwest (certainly a trend in immigration) to Nazi conquests is far from &quot;solid&quot;. The popularity of Howard Zinn&#039;s history notwithstanding, American memory of the war with Mexico, and Mexican history generally, more closely resembles the views of Sam Houston and James Polk than that of JosÃ© JoaquÃ­n de Herrera. In contrast, German students are taught that their Nazi-era grandparents were criminals.

On the other hand, your curriculum suggestions--starting with primary and early accounts and working forward--is exemplary. W. H. Prescott&#039;s &lt;i&gt;History of the Conquest of Mexico&lt;/i&gt; might be a better place to begin as it was written while the American Southwest was still part of Mexico. Such &quot;niche-historians&quot; as Zinn should be read alongside those from a contrasting niche.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noxious advertising is endemic. Good advice for prospective history teachers less so.</p>
<p>Stephen Downs is correct that comparing Mexican Reconquista of the American Southwest (certainly a trend in immigration) to Nazi conquests is far from &#8220;solid&#8221;. The popularity of Howard Zinn&#8217;s history notwithstanding, American memory of the war with Mexico, and Mexican history generally, more closely resembles the views of Sam Houston and James Polk than that of JosÃ© JoaquÃ­n de Herrera. In contrast, German students are taught that their Nazi-era grandparents were criminals.</p>
<p>On the other hand, your curriculum suggestions&#8211;starting with primary and early accounts and working forward&#8211;is exemplary. W. H. Prescott&#8217;s <i>History of the Conquest of Mexico</i> might be a better place to begin as it was written while the American Southwest was still part of Mexico. Such &#8220;niche-historians&#8221; as Zinn should be read alongside those from a contrasting niche.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew K. Tabor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew K. Tabor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abigale,

&quot;All advertising&quot; isn&#039;t about edgy and offensive. Some of it, particularly image-based products like alcohol, can be. But if you truly think that all advertising follows the same pattern, I&#039;d invite you to give a presentation to executives from... Century21 or ReMax [real estate]. You can imagine the blank stares after you told them that you think they&#039;d be best served by an ad campaign that &quot;toe[d] the line between being edgy and offensive.&quot; Maybe something &quot;edgy&quot; about black families getting crushed in the foreclosure crunch, without offending so much that the NAACP would get involved? You can toe that line on your own.

Also, you couldn&#039;t be more wrong about the &quot;free advertising&quot; mantra - but I&#039;ll leave that to you to work out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abigale,</p>
<p>&#8220;All advertising&#8221; isn&#8217;t about edgy and offensive. Some of it, particularly image-based products like alcohol, can be. But if you truly think that all advertising follows the same pattern, I&#8217;d invite you to give a presentation to executives from&#8230; Century21 or ReMax [real estate]. You can imagine the blank stares after you told them that you think they&#8217;d be best served by an ad campaign that &#8220;toe[d] the line between being edgy and offensive.&#8221; Maybe something &#8220;edgy&#8221; about black families getting crushed in the foreclosure crunch, without offending so much that the NAACP would get involved? You can toe that line on your own.</p>
<p>Also, you couldn&#8217;t be more wrong about the &#8220;free advertising&#8221; mantra &#8211; but I&#8217;ll leave that to you to work out.</p>
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		<title>By: Abigale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abigale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All advertising, particularly for a brand of alcohol that relies on flash rather than taste/quality, is about toeing the line between being &quot;edgy&quot; and offensive.  In stepping over that line, they have gotten you to give them free advertising - displaying a pulled ad for a group of readers which would probably never have seen the original in the first place.  Sort of makes your continuing to not drink their vodka even more of a moot point, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All advertising, particularly for a brand of alcohol that relies on flash rather than taste/quality, is about toeing the line between being &#8220;edgy&#8221; and offensive.  In stepping over that line, they have gotten you to give them free advertising &#8211; displaying a pulled ad for a group of readers which would probably never have seen the original in the first place.  Sort of makes your continuing to not drink their vodka even more of a moot point, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen,

&quot;Americans may not like to be reminded about the methods and less-than-altrustic motives that prompted the creation of their continental empire&quot;

I nearly choked from laughter when I read this because I think every school I have attended from elementary school through university has made every shortcoming of the United States and its expansion exceedingly clear, sometimes to a fault.

&quot;Get over yourselves. The only moral high ground you occupy is the one outside the barn.&quot;

Uh huh.  You&#039;re the guy defending the Vodka supplier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen,</p>
<p>&#8220;Americans may not like to be reminded about the methods and less-than-altrustic motives that prompted the creation of their continental empire&#8221;</p>
<p>I nearly choked from laughter when I read this because I think every school I have attended from elementary school through university has made every shortcoming of the United States and its expansion exceedingly clear, sometimes to a fault.</p>
<p>&#8220;Get over yourselves. The only moral high ground you occupy is the one outside the barn.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh huh.  You&#8217;re the guy defending the Vodka supplier.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew K. Tabor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew K. Tabor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen,

The point of the ad is first and foremost to sell vodka. Don&#039;t forget that part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen,</p>
<p>The point of the ad is first and foremost to sell vodka. Don&#8217;t forget that part.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew K. Tabor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew K. Tabor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

Richard Landes, a historian who has over the last 7 years or so done work on Palestinian media, the Muhammad Al-Durrah incident, etc., has a website called &quot;The Second Draft.&quot; It&#039;s at www.seconddraft.org.

I bring this up because of the quote on the landing page for that site:

&quot;Journalism is the first draft of history.&quot;

Landes et al. are essentially revisionists of that first draft, hence the name &quot;Second Draft.&quot; I think it&#039;s a remarkably clear, clever way to look at a historian&#039;s job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Richard Landes, a historian who has over the last 7 years or so done work on Palestinian media, the Muhammad Al-Durrah incident, etc., has a website called &#8220;The Second Draft.&#8221; It&#8217;s at <a href="http://www.seconddraft.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.seconddraft.org</a>.</p>
<p>I bring this up because of the quote on the landing page for that site:</p>
<p>&#8220;Journalism is the first draft of history.&#8221;</p>
<p>Landes et al. are essentially revisionists of that first draft, hence the name &#8220;Second Draft.&#8221; I think it&#8217;s a remarkably clear, clever way to look at a historian&#8217;s job.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew K. Tabor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew K. Tabor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle,

Thanks for the compliment. I almost didn&#039;t post anything about this ad because reactions are everywhere, but I found that comment on EHT&#039;s site disturbing. That many know so little - and have so little reverence, respect or awareness - is a sad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle,</p>
<p>Thanks for the compliment. I almost didn&#8217;t post anything about this ad because reactions are everywhere, but I found that comment on EHT&#8217;s site disturbing. That many know so little &#8211; and have so little reverence, respect or awareness &#8211; is a sad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: elementaryhistoryteacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>elementaryhistoryteacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never apologize for quoting me....mi content y su content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never apologize for quoting me&#8230;.mi content y su content.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen I agree with the overly inflammatory comparison to concentration camps not being apt. A more parallel ad would be continental Europe without borders with a Nazi Flag implying that the Third Reich maintained control. But how the American West was acquired is not the point of the ad, the point is Absolut making a statement about the outcome of a 19th-Century war, and the present &quot;Cold War&quot; reconquest of said area by immigration. And Absolut&#039;s point is that &quot;In an Absolut world&quot; Mexico wins. America is beyond transparent about its past wrongdoings, ever been on the campus of an American university? Sure seemed that way to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen I agree with the overly inflammatory comparison to concentration camps not being apt. A more parallel ad would be continental Europe without borders with a Nazi Flag implying that the Third Reich maintained control. But how the American West was acquired is not the point of the ad, the point is Absolut making a statement about the outcome of a 19th-Century war, and the present &#8220;Cold War&#8221; reconquest of said area by immigration. And Absolut&#8217;s point is that &#8220;In an Absolut world&#8221; Mexico wins. America is beyond transparent about its past wrongdoings, ever been on the campus of an American university? Sure seemed that way to me.</p>
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