Will We Have a Debate about Global Competitiveness in Education?

by Matthew K. Tabor on June 4, 2008

Yes, Jay Mathews, your objections make me yawn.

Doubtful, but Bob Compton, Executive Producer of Two Million Minutes, would like to see it.

Jay Mathews originally dismissed 2MM’s argument sometime in February in his WaPo column. In “One Dad’s Campaign to Save America,” Mathews waxed condescending as he wrote in tendentious terms of the mythical “international threat” the film claims to have exposed. 2MM isn’t presented as a conspiracy theory or impending doom, but Mathews’ increasingly-stale columns need all the spice they can get – he gets a free pass.

“Bob Compton may be wrong about American students losing out to our hard-working Indian and Chinese competitors, but he is astonishingly sincere in his views.”

Golly gee, Jay. I can’t speak for Mr. Compton, but I’m sure that gentle dismissal to open your piece, sort of like an adult addressing a small child in an insincere, singsong way, rings as sour to him as it would to me. If you haven’t already, read the rest of Mathews’ initial piece.

Not long after, Mathews followed it up with “Bad Rap on the Schools” in The Wilson Quarterly. It’s an angrier piece – Mathews really isn’t going to put up with this globalization talk any longer – with a garbled message. First, he intimates that 2MM is an election-year rabble rouser [of which there is no evidence]; then he dismisses the claim that American schools have “fallen behind” international counterparts, a claim which curiously isn’t made in the film; then it’s back to voters, then a rush of statistics/bad data with little context, a brief discussion of even worse data, etc.

You get the idea. Mathews doesn’t, but you probably do. Here’s his start:

“Oh, look. There’s a new film that portrays American teenagers as distracted slackers who don’t stand a chance against the zealous young strivers in China and India. It must be an election year, when American politicians, egged on by corporate leaders, suddenly become indignant about the state of America’s public schools. If we don’t do something, they thunder, our children will wind up working as bellhops in resorts owned by those Asian ­go-­getters.”

Eek! I won’t even touch the tripe that suggests we’re xenophobes/racists who just couldn’t bear to be controlled economically by “those Asian go-getters.” [Personally, I like working with "go-getters" regardless of their race or nationality - take that, Jay!]

Alas, Mr. Compton isn’t deterred by Mathews’ rotten commentary. He posted the following comment on this site and on Fordham’s Flypaper:

Matt,

Despite Fordham’s confidence in Mr. Mathews global knowledge and personal experience, it is only fair to point out that Mr. Mathews has never visited India and therefore never set foot in an Indian K-12 school. Therefore, I do not know the source of his strong opinions.

And while he has been to China, his last visit to a Chinese school was in 1989 – nearly two decades ago. Useful, but perhaps mildly dated.

I am a true admirer of Mr. Mathews – I believe he is extraordinarily smart and his knowledge of American education unsurpassed among journalists, but his adamant opinions about Indian and Chinese education and their economies should be taken in their proper context – outdated, non-existent or plain wrong.

I would welcome an open, public debate with Mr. Mathews on Indian and Chinese curriculum and student performance in comparison with US standards and performance at any time and in any location. (except not in August – I’ll be in China and not in December – I’ll be in India).

I am ready to have him publicly humiliate me if his knowledge of education, curricula and testing standards in those two country’s proves superior to mine.

Bob Compton
Executive Producer
Two Million Minutes
http://www.2mminutes.com

This is a debate we need and I hope that Mr. Mathews accepts.

I replied with this:

Bob,

I’m not sure that Mr. Mathews knows the source of his opinions, either.

I think we all would benefit from a live exchange between you and Jay Mathews. One glaring weakness in most all facets of the education debate is the unwillingness to engage in critical, substantive debate with another party whose views differ. A quick tour around the prominent education blogs, especially those related to technology, will show that.

I know that carpal tunnel syndrome is a worry of many computer users, but the education technology folks who write so often about globalization – and quite a few of the policy bloggers – ought to prepare for the elbow/shoulder bursitis that comes from patting themselves and the like-minded on the back.

If Mr. Mathews is serious about our education system, he should accept your offer – we all need the serious discussion. However, I expect him to continue to dismiss gently the argument in the Post and downright disparage it when he publishes elsewhere.

Who knows what the guy says when it’s not going into print?

I look forward to your impending humiliation.

What say you, Mathews?

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NYC Educator 06.04.08 at 6:41 pm

Why are you Matthews always bickering among one another? Can’t we all just get along?

Matthew K. Tabor 06.04.08 at 6:45 pm

I wish the rift was just about the number of Ts in our names. If it was that simple, scores of mediocre schools wouldn’t be able to tout that irrelevant Challenge Index as proof of their success.

Bob Compton 06.04.08 at 9:37 pm

Matt,

I would happily debate Jay Mathews or anyone else on the curricular differences between India and the US.

I will be publishing detailed comparison of the Indian National Education Standards (ISCE) for high school with the curriculum standards of Indiana – where the US students live – later this summer.

And I will have a comparison with the Chinese National Standards in the fall (they are being translated from Mandarin right now).

Just to give you an early sample of the differences, here are the classes Apoorva and Rohit took in high school in India:

In both 9th and 10th Grade:

Math
Chemistry
Biology
Physics
World History
Geography
English Grammar
English Literature
Hindi Grammar (Rohit took Sanskrit)
Hindi Literature (Rohit took Sanskrit)
Civics
Computer Programming (C++ in 9th and Java in 10th)

In 11th and 12th Grades students must chose 1 of three paths based on their scores on the Standard X proficiency exams (about 20 hours of testing – more on that another time)

Score 80% or above in all subjects – Science Track
Score 60%-80% – Commerce or Liberal Arts Track (or trade track)
Score below 40% on any exams – repeat 10th grade (that’s the Indian definition of a “high stakes exam” – the student bears the consequences – how odd)

So Apoorva and Rohit took the Science Track and here is their class load for 11th and 12th grades:

Math
Chemistry
Physics
English Grammar
English Literature
Computer Science
Environmental Education

The Indian students and their Principal on a recent visit to the US were startled to learn that American High School students take only one year of Physics, Chemistry and Biology and not every State even requires all three. As Apoorva said “how can you learn much Physics in just one year?”

Wait until you see the details of my report – I think most Americans will find the Indian and Chinese courses remarkably rigorous and very deep intellectually.

Not exactly the “stunted, impoverished school systems” of some people’s imagination.

Suzie Creamcheese 06.09.08 at 10:38 am

Matthew K. Tabor 06.09.08 at 5:34 pm

Suzie,

Wow – that’s a pretty heavy piece. Thanks for linking it, somehow it flew under my radar even though I subscribe to the tampabay.com feed.

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