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	<title>Comments on: The Terrible, Horrible, No-Good Very Bad Education Blogosphere</title>
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	<description>In Education for the Aughts, Matthew K. Tabor discusses issues in K-12 and higher education. He examines: college, law school &#38; medical school admissions; NCLB &#38; testing; teaching; teacher certification; parent &#38; community relations; school law; school boards; &#38; national education trends. Matthew is an admissions consultant and private educator. He writes out of Cooperstown, New York.</description>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
		<link>http://www.matthewktabor.com/2008/06/13/the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-education-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-2525</link>
		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that was probably a bit over the top.  I&#039;ll change it.

I don&#039;t advocate a neutral tone.  I advocate a civil tone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that was probably a bit over the top.  I&#8217;ll change it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t advocate a neutral tone.  I advocate a civil tone.</p>
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		<title>By: JTHRC</title>
		<link>http://www.matthewktabor.com/2008/06/13/the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-education-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-2523</link>
		<dc:creator>JTHRC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our skins are so thin these days which is a benefit for those of us who can take direct criticism and move forward...leaving the rest of you behind.  Try being in business for yourself and not behind the security blanket of education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our skins are so thin these days which is a benefit for those of us who can take direct criticism and move forward&#8230;leaving the rest of you behind.  Try being in business for yourself and not behind the security blanket of education.</p>
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		<title>By: kderosa</title>
		<link>http://www.matthewktabor.com/2008/06/13/the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-education-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-2522</link>
		<dc:creator>kderosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corey, maybe you could answer that question as well as I?

As I pointed out in my comments section, as the originator of Blog Posts in Need of Improvement you have a large glass houses problem.

Plus, I can see from some of your recent posts that you yourself fall somewhat short of the neutral academic tone you advocate.

So when you write something like &quot;One would have to be either blind or willfully ignorant not to have noticed this&quot; you can imagine how the person who disagrees with your position might not like being called &quot;blind&quot; or &quot;willfully ignorant.&quot;

I personally don&#039;t find such language offensive (the blogosphere is a rough place where strong opinions are debated) when it is in the context of a post on the merits of an argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corey, maybe you could answer that question as well as I?</p>
<p>As I pointed out in my comments section, as the originator of Blog Posts in Need of Improvement you have a large glass houses problem.</p>
<p>Plus, I can see from some of your recent posts that you yourself fall somewhat short of the neutral academic tone you advocate.</p>
<p>So when you write something like &#8220;One would have to be either blind or willfully ignorant not to have noticed this&#8221; you can imagine how the person who disagrees with your position might not like being called &#8220;blind&#8221; or &#8220;willfully ignorant.&#8221;</p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t find such language offensive (the blogosphere is a rough place where strong opinions are debated) when it is in the context of a post on the merits of an argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew K. Tabor</title>
		<link>http://www.matthewktabor.com/2008/06/13/the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-education-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-2521</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew K. Tabor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corey,

Edwize is the United Federation of Teachers blog. I imagine that everyone involved in education, at any level and in any region, would benefit from keeping abreast of the UFT&#039;s thoughts and interests.

I&#039;ll pass on forwarding you objectionable posts - there&#039;s no reason for it. I think this entire discussion is ridiculous and nearly useless.

And if you really wanted me to forward to you every education blog post that&#039;s intellectually dishonest, lacking in fact or logic, mean-spirited, out of touch, etc., your e-mail server would likely explode.

I&#039;d like to nominate an issue for the next education poo-poo award, though. Perhaps you could write about how inadequate and offensive it is that the average administrator&#039;s GRE scores are 427 Verbal and 523 Quant. Or perhaps how 28.5% of aspiring administrators score between 300 and 390 on the Verbal section [don&#039;t forget, folks, 200 of those points are for showing up].

Or you could continue to monitor the use of the word &quot;jackass.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corey,</p>
<p>Edwize is the United Federation of Teachers blog. I imagine that everyone involved in education, at any level and in any region, would benefit from keeping abreast of the UFT&#8217;s thoughts and interests.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll pass on forwarding you objectionable posts &#8211; there&#8217;s no reason for it. I think this entire discussion is ridiculous and nearly useless.</p>
<p>And if you really wanted me to forward to you every education blog post that&#8217;s intellectually dishonest, lacking in fact or logic, mean-spirited, out of touch, etc., your e-mail server would likely explode.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to nominate an issue for the next education poo-poo award, though. Perhaps you could write about how inadequate and offensive it is that the average administrator&#8217;s GRE scores are 427 Verbal and 523 Quant. Or perhaps how 28.5% of aspiring administrators score between 300 and 390 on the Verbal section [don't forget, folks, 200 of those points are for showing up].</p>
<p>Or you could continue to monitor the use of the word &#8220;jackass.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
		<link>http://www.matthewktabor.com/2008/06/13/the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-education-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-2520</link>
		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually don&#039;t read Edwize, but what you describe sounds out-of-bounds.  Feel free to send me links to posts you find objectionable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually don&#8217;t read Edwize, but what you describe sounds out-of-bounds.  Feel free to send me links to posts you find objectionable.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew K. Tabor</title>
		<link>http://www.matthewktabor.com/2008/06/13/the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-education-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-2519</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew K. Tabor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corey,

Since you&#039;re so bothered by an insignificant word, I thought I&#039;d swing in the other direction and go for some inappropriate hyperbole. It worked!

Really, this bizarre milquetoast act is one reason why the general public has very little respect for the education field.

I hope you&#039;re almost done with the Mister Manners speech here - it&#039;s a real yawner.

And, for what it&#039;s worth, I&#039;d have cut you far more slack if I felt for a second that your sword was sharpened on both sides. You&#039;re an education professional - you read Edwize, I&#039;m sure. Apparently you thought Leo Casey using &quot;anorexic&quot; as an insult to Fordham&#039;s staffers wasn&#039;t worth a blog post, followup in comments, another blog post, and more comment followups? 

Or maybe you&#039;ve turned a blind eye toward folks like Jim Horn - or Susan O&#039;Hanian, who disguises her contempt far better than Horn and others - who say unkind, undignified things about anyone who&#039;s at least an inch to the right of Lenin. Maybe the next time they write a screed about how stupid, selfish, consumer-slavish, ignorant, unenlightened, etc. we are, you&#039;ll toss them an award?

I&#039;d also rather the Horns and O&#039;Hanians just called me a jackass. Makes for a much quicker read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corey,</p>
<p>Since you&#8217;re so bothered by an insignificant word, I thought I&#8217;d swing in the other direction and go for some inappropriate hyperbole. It worked!</p>
<p>Really, this bizarre milquetoast act is one reason why the general public has very little respect for the education field.</p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;re almost done with the Mister Manners speech here &#8211; it&#8217;s a real yawner.</p>
<p>And, for what it&#8217;s worth, I&#8217;d have cut you far more slack if I felt for a second that your sword was sharpened on both sides. You&#8217;re an education professional &#8211; you read Edwize, I&#8217;m sure. Apparently you thought Leo Casey using &#8220;anorexic&#8221; as an insult to Fordham&#8217;s staffers wasn&#8217;t worth a blog post, followup in comments, another blog post, and more comment followups? </p>
<p>Or maybe you&#8217;ve turned a blind eye toward folks like Jim Horn &#8211; or Susan O&#8217;Hanian, who disguises her contempt far better than Horn and others &#8211; who say unkind, undignified things about anyone who&#8217;s at least an inch to the right of Lenin. Maybe the next time they write a screed about how stupid, selfish, consumer-slavish, ignorant, unenlightened, etc. we are, you&#8217;ll toss them an award?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also rather the Horns and O&#8217;Hanians just called me a jackass. Makes for a much quicker read.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
		<link>http://www.matthewktabor.com/2008/06/13/the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-education-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-2518</link>
		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KD: Why can&#039;t you just disagree with the plan set forth in the agenda without calling people names?

MKT: Wow, are you serious?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KD: Why can&#8217;t you just disagree with the plan set forth in the agenda without calling people names?</p>
<p>MKT: Wow, are you serious?</p>
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		<title>By: kderosa</title>
		<link>http://www.matthewktabor.com/2008/06/13/the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-education-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-2517</link>
		<dc:creator>kderosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jackass:  a contemptibly foolish person.

So what I&#039;m saying is that you&#039;d have to be a contemptibly foolish person to endorse the bigger bolder manifesto.  I gave five good reasons in the post.  Five reasons that remain unrebutted by those taking offense.  I think what we have is a bunch of true believers who don&#039;t like being ridiculed by association and don&#039;t have a good counterargument.  I suppose I&#039;d take or feign offense as well at least as a way to marginalize the argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jackass:  a contemptibly foolish person.</p>
<p>So what I&#8217;m saying is that you&#8217;d have to be a contemptibly foolish person to endorse the bigger bolder manifesto.  I gave five good reasons in the post.  Five reasons that remain unrebutted by those taking offense.  I think what we have is a bunch of true believers who don&#8217;t like being ridiculed by association and don&#8217;t have a good counterargument.  I suppose I&#8217;d take or feign offense as well at least as a way to marginalize the argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://www.matthewktabor.com/2008/06/13/the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-education-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-2516</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t you be concerned about both? If our tolerance was set at a threshold Mugabe-high, we&#039;d be letting people get away with a lot worse than calling someone a jackass. But does it mean we should?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t you be concerned about both? If our tolerance was set at a threshold Mugabe-high, we&#8217;d be letting people get away with a lot worse than calling someone a jackass. But does it mean we should?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew K. Tabor</title>
		<link>http://www.matthewktabor.com/2008/06/13/the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-education-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-2515</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew K. Tabor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, Robert Mugabe cuts the limbs off his opponents&#039; wives and then burns them alive - and you&#039;re concerned about someone being called a jackass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, Robert Mugabe cuts the limbs off his opponents&#8217; wives and then burns them alive &#8211; and you&#8217;re concerned about someone being called a jackass.</p>
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